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    Gerth, Hans -- 1956-61 -- Correspondence, Individual -- letter, 1957-02-17

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    Letter from Gerth, Hans-Joachim to Sabin, Albert B. dated 1957-02-17.Sabin Collection Fair Use Policy</a

    Donald R. Gerth oral history interview, "Researching Higher Education in Transition", Origins of The California State University", 1987

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    Transcripts and cassette tapes of oral history interviews with various individuals involved in the formation of the California State University system.Origins of The California State University Donald R. Gerth Interviewed by Judson A. Grenier An Oral History Project of the Archives UUU Archives CSU, Dominguez Hills CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY ARCHIVES Oral History Pilot Project on the Origins of the CSU System DONALD R. GERTH RESEARCHING HIGHER EDUCATION IN TRANSITION Interview Conducted by Judson A. Grenier in 1987 Processed by CSU, Fullerton Oral History Program August 1988 COPYRIGHT This is a transcription of an interview conducted for the California State University Archives under a grant from the Office of the Chancellor, CSU. Scholars are welcome to utilize short excerpts from any of the transcriptions without obtaining permission as long as proper credit is given to the interviewee, interviewer, and the institution sponsoring the project. All uses of this manuscript are covered by a legal agreement between the CSU Archives and the interviewee. Therefore, scholars must obtain permission from California State University Archives before making more extensive use of the transcription and related materials. None of these materials may be duplicated or reproduced by any party except the California State University Archives. However, because it is the goal of this project to preserve and make accessible significant documentation relevant to the history of the State Colleges, copies of any unrestricted transcriptions may be obtained at cost by writing to the CSU Systemwide Archivist at California State University, Dominguez Hills, Carson, California, 90747. Copyright(c)1988 by the Board of Trustees of The California State University PREFACE The purpose of this oral history pilot project is to record and make available to researchers using the California State University Archives the reminiscences of individuals who participated in the creation of the California State Colleges from 1959 to 1965. The creation of the California State Colleges in 1961 united fifteen formerly independent colleges into a single, identifiable system, with its own Board of Trustees and a Chancellor to serve as chief executive officer. Using a formula which stressed systemwide planning in the allocation of resources and programs, the California State Colleges sought to offer Californians quality higher education at reasonable cost. The key to the success of the California State University was the decision to adapt a plan, incorporated into the Donahoe Higher Education Act of 1960, dividing higher education into three distinctly separate segments. Under the act, the California State Colleges were mandated to emphasize undergraduate and master’s level programs, while the University of California campuses were to emphasize graduate education, and the California Community Colleges were to focus on vocational training and college preparation. The California State University, starting from a base of fifteen campuses and 95,000 students in 1961, has grown to where it now provides a wide variety of innovative programs to more than 320,000 students on nineteen campuses. The system is the largest as well as one of the strongest institutions of higher education in the United States. In September 1979, the Board of Trustees created the California State Colleges and Universities Historical Archives, to be housed on the Dominguez Hills campus. Since its establishment, the Archives, as a systemwide project, has been jointly supported by the Chancellor’s Office and CSU Dominguez Hills, through the funding of a professional archivist. The Archives currently houses a collection of materials received from a variety of sources. These include the Chancellor’s Office, the CSU Academic Senate, and private individuals who had previous dealings with the CSU, such as former Chancellor Glenn Dumke, former Trustee Paul Spencer, and others. Consequently, the Archives holds some personal papers as well as official systemwide documents. As part of its collection policy, the Archives also has a responsibility to collect individual recollections and oral histories of the early System and pre-System years. m Short-term goals of this oral history project are to make available the recollections and reminiscences of former members of the Board of Trustees, the State College-University of California Liaison Committee, and the Master Plan Survey Team, as well as other individuals who participated in the formation of the California State Colleges from 1959 to 1965. For the long run, the project has three purposes. First, it will help to increase interest in the history and accomplishments of the California State University. Next, it will, hopefully, be a tool to aid in the acquisition of additional materials concerning the System now in private hands. Finally, it will serve as a model and learning device to develop a more comprehensive oral history program. If the pilot project is successful, as many interviews as possible will be conducted under the expanded program with the System’s retired trustees, former vice-chancellors and college presidents, current senior management, state legislators, and others who have been influential in the growth and development of the state university. Funding for the project is provided by the Office of Vice Chancellor, Administration, Dr. Herbert L. Carter. We thank the interviewee for generously giving of his time. We also acknowledge the work of the Oral History Program at CSU Fullerton for the use of its facilities in processing this interview. Transcribing was performed by Shirley de Graaf, final preparation, proofreading and index by Teryne Bell. Lawrence B. de Graaf, Jacquelyn K. Sundstrand, Judson A. Grenier, CSU Archivist Project Co-Directors MEMBERS, CSU ARCHIVES ADVISORY BOARD Betty Blackman John Brownell Mayer Chapman Robert W. Cherny Lawrence B. de Graaf Glenn S. Dumke Donald R. Gerth Judson Grenier Arthur Hall Claudia H. Hampton James Harris Louis H. Heilbron Donald B. Leiffer Gloria Lothrop Theodore Meriam Carol J. Numrich Morris Polan W. Ann Reynolds Phillip V. Sanchez John Smart Jacquelyn K. Sundstrand IV DONALD R. GERTH ca. 1976 CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY ARCHIVES ORAL HISTORY PILOT PROJECT ON THE ORIGINS OF THE CSU SYSTEM This interview of Donald R. Gerth (DG) was conducted in the office of the president of California State University, Sacramento on July 7, 1987. The interviewer is Judson Grenier (JG) of the CSU Oral History Project. JG: We begin all these interviews with a short personal background. Could you remind me where you were born and reared? DG: Chicago, Illinois. I was bora in 1928, December of 1928, and I grew up in Chicago, went through the Chicago public schools. Did not graduate from high school until after I graduated from college, because I left high school and went to the University of Chicago as an early entrant. I got my B.A. in June of 1947. JG: I remember that under [Robert] Hutchins that was a fairly common procedure, wasn’t it? DG: It was possible, yes. JG: And what was your major? DG: At the undergraduate level, it was liberal arts. JG: I see. DG: We had no majors at Chicago. It was possible to get a concentration; I didn’t even elect to do that. I took the solid liberal arts program. JG: What did your father do for a living? DG: He was a civil engineer. JG: And after you got your B.A., what then? DG: Went on for the master’s; got a job on the staff of the University of Chicago in student affairs, and also went on for my master’s degree. Did that for two years, then went to southeast Asia as field representative for World University Service for the better part of a year. Came back, finished up my master’s. Always on the staff, too. Was loaned at one time as assistant to the president at GERTH 2 Shimer college, which was at that point in time a small college in western Illinois that had a relationship with the University of Chicago. Finished my master’s, started on the Ph.D. It was clear that the military was going to get me; by this time the Korean War was underway. I was in the Far East when the Korean War broke out. So, I volunteered for the Air Force, and got a commission in the psychological warfare . . . JG: That’s interesting. DG: . . . business or branch of the Air Force. And did that for four and a half years. Then I came back and rejoined the staff of Chicago, finished up the Ph.D. By this time I was getting beyond the age of eighteen, which was all I was when I graduated from college I taught at the University of the Philippines while I was overseas in the Air Force in southeast Asia. I worked all over southeast Asia for the Air Force. JG: My goodness. What was the topic of your dissertation? DG: At the Ph.D. level, it was the governance of higher education in California. JG: How did you become interested in that topic? DG: Because I was recruited to join the faculty at San Francisco State by the then president of San Francisco State. I decided to go in spite of all these dire warnings from the department in Chicago that I shouldn’t leave, I should take a Ford Foundation Fellowship, which I’d gotten to go to India. That I shouldn’t leave, because if I left, I wouldn’t finish. They recited the statistics to me about the odds of ever finishing. And they were grim, but I decided to come to California anyway. So, out of all that, all the warnings, I decided I would pick a very manageable topic that I knew I could do on the scene in California, where I knew I wouldn’t be trapped and have to go to Washington when I was young and didn’t have any money and would have to go here and there for material. I knew that if I wrote on the government of higher education in California, the material would be here in California. And it struck me as an interesting thing to do. I was sort of fascinated with the topic. JG: There had been little or nothing written on it? DG: At that point in time, social scientists by and large had not gotten involved in writing about higher education as a public enterprise. GERTH 3 JG: What year did you come out to San Francisco State? DG: 1958. JG: 1958. So you taught full-time while finishing up your Ph.D.? DG: No, actually, between the time I was first appointed— I had worked in the admissions office in Chicago as a graduate student— between the time I was interviewed, and the time I actually got appointed in a technical sense, I was asked if I’d be willing to take a different job than straight teaching as director of admissions— in those days they called it "Associate Dean of Students for Admissions and Records"— for the princely sum of $8,112 a year. I remember the figure; that was more money than I thought there was in the whole world. JG: Yes. DG: And I thought about it a little bit and said yes. So I was a member of the government department at San Francisco State and taught, but my principle job, the thing that paid me, was being associate dean. JG: You came out in 1958 . . . DG: I was 29. JG: . . . and Glenn Dumke had already been named president by that time. DG: He was, yes, he was president when I was appointed, and my dean was a fellow named Ferd Reddell. Ferd is still around. JG: Yes. DG: Of course, Glenn is. They’re both retired. JG: So, what were the sources that you used for the study of the California state college part of higher education? DG: A lot of interviews. I went back into the historic material, I spent time here in Sacramento. It’s when I first visited this campus on one of my trips up here. I used the state archives, the state library, all kinds of musty old records from the state Department of Education. I did a lot of interviewing, because nobody had been collecting the material. I used the Bancroft at Berkeley . the Bancroft Library. There was a woman there named Mae Dornan, who was then the librarian at Bancroft. I GERTH 4 don’t think she was the head— the head was James Hart— but she was the one who did a lot of the work, and worked with graduate students. She was very helpful. What else? . . . I used the records of the regents, I used the records of the state Department of Education. In those days, the chancellor’s office didn’t exist. JG: Right. That was a pretty heady time in higher education here in California. DG: Oh yes. While I was doing the research . . . then the Master Plan started. JG: Right. DG: So, one of the by-products of this was that I got involved. My expertise, or my specialization in this topic, caused people to draw on me for the Master Plan. JG: That’s very interesting. Did you ever interview Roy Simpson? DG: Yes. JG: Did you ever observe any of the meetings of groups such as the Council of Presidents? DG: No, those were private. I tried to, and I was told I couldn’t. I attended the state Board of Education— I think the first state Board of Education meeting I ever attended may have been on this campus. It was either here or Fresno. I think it was here. JG: Was that in 1958 or 1959? DG: 1958. JG: What was Roy Simpson’s leadership style? DG: Oh, he was very quiet. He would come to the meetings rather well prepared, as I remember now. He was not deeply involved in the substance of the issues about the state colleges. He had his chief, an associate superintendent named J. Burton Vasche, who became the founding president of Stanislaus and died fairly soon after that. And it was Vasche and a couple of his people who were the people who were deeply involved in the substance of the issues. The two people who were really the most involved were Jim Enochs, spelled E-N-O-C-H-S, he’s the retired vice-president at Sonoma now— lives up in Oregon— and Dorothy Knoell, who is with the California GERTH 5 Post-Secondary Education Commission [CPEC], here in Sacramento. JG: I did interview her. DG: They were the two people who were most deeply involved in the substance of the issues. Vasche sort of coordinated the whole thing. As I recall, Vasche had four professionals; he had Enochs, Knoell, a fellow named Don Youngreen, who was his chief fiscal type; he was an accountant. I don’t know what’s happened to Don, I’ve lost track of him. And a guy named Art Browne, who ended up doing a lot of the staff-work for the community colleges on the Master Plan. That was the whole division of higher education [Division of State Colleges and Teacher Education]— that and some clerical staff— and a few technicians: Clarence Lust, who’s on the chancellor’s staff now, Boyd Horne, who has just been named an assistant vice-chancellor was just a young kid then we all were— Clarence was the fellow who did all the enrollment projections, did all the technical stuff. JG: I see. DG: It was a very small staff. So, Vasche was a very busy guy. But the real substance at that point in time would have been carried by the other two. Simpson was the man who sat at the table. My impression always was that he was fairly well briefed— my impression was that he was supportive of his presidents, and I think he regarded them just that way. When the presidents met— they didn’t meet with Roy Simpson with any regularity— my understanding is that they met with Vasche. JG: Did the division of higher education exercise any real authority over the colleges, or were they virtually . . . DG: My impression at the time was that, yes. On curricular affairs, yes. All of our appointments went through there; my appointment went through there. Our appointments in those days all went to the state board; both the original appointments of faculty and tenure decisions went to the state board. Now I’m not sure maybe the presidents made the original appointments and simply reported them. I know tenure went to the state board, and I know that appointments of administrators went to the state board. JG: How would the state board have time to concern itself with all those . . . DG: I don’t know that they did. I think they got a list and they approved them on a motion. GERTH 6 JG: Was it your impression that the state board devoted much time to higher education as opposed to other levels? DG: No, no, no. The real governing board, in my judgment, for the California state colleges at that point in time was to be found in the monthly meeting of the presidents. I am told that was commonly understood. I’m doing all this from memory; some of the detail on this is in my dissertation and in my book [An Invisible Giant], But I am told that the business managers met with some frequency. In those days, you had common titles for administrators on all campuses, and a common administrative pattern for all campuses. There were nine campuses, and all but two, Humboldt and Chico, had the same administrative pattern. Humboldt and Chico were smaller; they had a modified one. The business managers would meet with some frequency, and periodically would meet with the presidents. I am told that there was a great deal of muscle in the business managers’ group. There were other groups that met with some frequency: the deans of students did, the deans of instruction did, the executive deans— in those days they were building types— did. The muscle, I think, was in the presidents and in the business managers. JG: Who were the strong presidents in the system when you did your study? DG: Oh my goodness . . . Guy West to a certain extent— he was the president here at that time. Malcolm Love, without question, at San Diego. Going up and down the state, Julian McPhee was certainly very strong. JG: Yes. DG: Glenn Kendall was strong, although he used restraint— Glenn would use restraint in the exercise of power— and I watched that over the years. I ended up working with him for two years. JG: Was this picture of the group taken just about the time you did your study? (Shows a photograph.) DG: Yes, it’s a little afterwards, because Fred Harcleroad is in it, and Carl McIntosh. I would say Malcolm Love and Kendall had a kind of strength. Of course, Dumke because of the Master Plan. The presidents were all pretty strong in those days. [Ralph] Prator came on the scene in 1958— that was when the system started to grow. Bill [William B.] Langsdorf was fairly new. I would say particularly Julian McPhee and Malcolm Love, and then to a certain extent Kendall. There was a certain potency among GERTH 7 all of them. There were a couple whom I personally regarded as fairly weak. JG: Were there any clusters? Were there any groupings within the Council of Presidents— people who tended to think alike? DG: You ought to ask Glenn Dumke that question. I don’t know, because I wasn’t in the group. By the time I got in the group, I was sort of an adjunct to the Council of Presidents in 1963-64 when I was on the chancellor’s staff, and I used to meet with them then. But not in the days when I was at San Francisco State, from 1958 to 1963. By that time, there was a difference. There were really three groups by 1963. There were the sort of "new order" types who were committed to the arts and sciences, the "comprehensive state college," as envisioned by then chancellor Dumke. There were the old "teacher education" types, and their relatives; McPhee would have been in that group, at Cal Poly. And then there were some who were waiting to see how things would go. It’s not unlike today, where the issues are very different, but where there are three groups of presidents . . . JG: Yes. DG: . . . the ones who take a definitive stand here, another group taking a definitive stand there, and a third group waiting to see how it all turns out. JG: When you did your study, the state colleges were still in the process of evolution, were they not, from teacher training schools to full-scale liberal arts colleges? DG: Oh yes. I was appointed director of admissions at San Francisco State in 1958, and I shall never forget, my first or second year there, I went to a place called Galileo High School which was not distant from the campus, in the city of San Francisco. And I got there, was met by the— in those days the San Francisco city schools all had what they called "educational counsellors," and somebody was on the head counsellor’s staff who worked with kids, getting them ready for college— and the educational counsellor met me. If I recall correctly, her name was Miss Marini. We didn’t talk much. She met me, and we walked down a hall, and she marched me into a room. There were all these lovely young ladies, high school seniors. And she said, "All these students are interested in San Francisco State; this is Donald Gerth, Director of Admissions," or whatever. And I said, "Thank-you," and gave my little pep talk about San Francisco State. She stayed. I turned to her, and I said, "Isn’t it unusual, GERTH 8 that these are all girls?” And she said, right back to me, as if it were fact, in front of this entire group, ”Not really, because people who go to San Francisco State want to be elementary school teachers.” This was 1958. And I said, ”0h no,"— by this time, because of my research, I knew the history of the system backwards— I said, "That changed in 1935." Actually it had changed earlier in the twenties, in terms of secondary credential preparation. But I said, "We became state colleges in 1935." And she said, "No, you’re new to California, you don’t understand, only people who want to be grade school teachers go to a state college." JG: Oh my. DG: And I just wasn’t going to have a debate with her. Now that was atypical in 1958, but deeply symptomatic. And internally . . . this was certainly true at San Francisco State. Now San Francisco State was founded just before the turn of the century, so it had a significant history as a teacher education institution, a teachers’ college. At San Francisco State, the combat level, the tension, the strife, between those who felt they had a commitment to

    Gerth, Hans -- 1956-61 -- Correspondence, Individual -- letter, 1957-02-20

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    Letter from Sabin, Albert B. to Gerth, Hans J. dated 1957-02-20.Sabin Collection Fair Use Policy</a

    Presentation with President Gerth

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    Group of faculty and staff, including Dr. Sam Wiley, left, and Dr. James Welch (with beard) gather around President Donald Gerth at a plaque presentation

    Mervyn Dymally and Donald Gerth

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    Congressman Mervyn Dymally and CSUDH Donald Gerth at a dinner in the Small College

    President Gerth on bicycle

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    CSUDH President Don Gerth (on bicycle) prepares to take a lap on the recently-completed Olympic Velodrome bicyle track. Standing with him is Southland Corporation President Jere Thompson (in sunglasses)

    Carson Councilman presents Donald Gerth with a proclamation

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    Carson Councilman Gil Smith, CSUDH President Donald Gerth and others pose with a Distinguished Service Award from the Advisory Board of CSUD

    President Gerth with Carson RTD bus on Campus

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    President Donald Gerth poses with a Rapid Transit District representative in front of a Carson bus

    "The University and The System In 1980: The Learning Society" academic address

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    Address of a "speculative" future of California State University, Chico made by Donald R. Gerth, Vice President of Academic Affairs in 1973This collection consists of reports by or about the California State University.Reports were generated by various Chancellor’s Office divisions, committees and other entities including the state government. The reports consist of analytical, programmatic, feasibility or budgetary reports dealing with planning, administration, teaching, the functions of the university system and other subjects

    Advance directives in the prehospital setting - Emergency physicians' attitudes

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    Objective: The German physician based emergency medical system (EMS) might confront physicians with advance directives in the field. A multi-question survey was used to evaluate emergency physicians' experience with advance directives in the prehospital setting and to assess their attitudes towards forms and statements of advance directives. Methods: A questionnaire was mailed to the members of the Association of Emergency Physicians of Northern Germany (,,AGNN"), an interest group of emergency physicians, in 2001. Results: 511 emergency physicians (50,4% of the AGNN members) filled in the questionnaire completely and sent it back for evaluation. 75% of the participants were working as emergency physicians at present, 72% had emergency experiences of more than 5 years. One third had previously dealt with advance directives in the prehospital setting. 77% of these physicians thought advance directives generally helpful. Nevertheless 88% based their management on the context of the individual circumstances (e. g. emergency conditions, underlying diseases, expected prognosis), only 7% said they would always exactly follow the statements of the directive. In the view of the emergency physicians the advance directive should contain information on cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR: 88%), intensive care-treatment (75%) and preclinical emergency treatment (55%). Information on underlying diseases (87%) and a legal substitute (84%) should be contained as well. As formal requirements, 47% of the physicians wanted the family doctor to be involved, 49% desired a notary authenticity confirmation, additionally or solely. Pragmatically, the advance directive should be kept with the personal documents (84%). A regular reconfirmation was deemed necessary (twice to once a year: 64%). The current legal situation was regarded as unclear by 81% of the emergency physicians, 85% favored a unique, officially authorised type of directive. Conclusion: The high number of returned questionnaires shows the importance of the topic,advance directives" for emergency physicians. Despite some practical and legal problems, a big majority of the experienced emergency physicians in this survey thought the advance directives in the prehospital setting to be helpful. A clear statement on resuscitation as well as simplification of the many existing types of directives are the most essential requirements demanded by the emergency physicians. A solution could be the creation of an extra,emergency advance directive"
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