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Oral History Interview with Gretchen Fincke, May 17, 2011
Gretchen Fincke is a certified sex therapist who worked as a psychotherapist for 37 years before retiring in 2008. Fincke opened an agency in 1980 which is now Pathways Counseling Center. Fincke discusses the problems with medical model programs that many individuals went through to be diagnosed as a "true transsexual." She discusses the process of being admitted to the program at the agency and its operation. She also describes tension between the gay and lesbian community and the transgender community in the early 1980s through the mid-1990s, and discusses the impact of the Internet in lessening the isolation of transgender people.Milwaukee Transgender Oral History Project
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Gretchen Fincke
Interviewed by Brice Smith
May 17, 2011 at Fincke’s home
Transcribed by Benjamin Barbera
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Brice Smith – BS
Gretchen Fincke – GF
BS: Okay, will you please state your name?
GF: My name is Gretchen Fincke.
BS: All right, well thank you for agreeing to participate in the Milwaukee Transgender Oral
History Project, Gretchen. If, just to get started, can you please tell me what your preferred
gender pronouns are?
GF: Probably “she” and “her.”
BS: Okay. And how do you identify?
GF: I identify as a, heterosexual, at this point older woman. (laughs)
BS: (laughs) All right, and what do you presently do for a living?
GF: I’m currently retired from my profession, although I worked for many, many, many years as
a psychotherapist. In the, not always in th
Oral History Interview with Meredith Leischer, May 27, 2011
A Milwaukee native, Meredith Leischer identifies as a transgender person and psychic hermaphrodite. Leischer discusses her marriage and family life, career in the oil industry in the 1970s and 1980s, and return to Milwaukee in 1992. She describes her graduation with a master's degree in educational psychology from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee in 1998 and subsequent efforts to secure her license to practice therapy. Leischer also discusses her involvement with Pathways Counseling Center and speaks at length about the history of the Gemini Gender Group.Milwaukee Transgender Oral History Project
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Libraries
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Meredith Leischer
Interviewed by Brice Smith
May 27, 2011 at Leischer’s home
Transcribed by Shukrani Gray
Copyright © 2011 University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. All rights reserved.
Brice Smith – BS
Meredith Leischer – ML
BS: Will you please state your name?
ML: Meredith Leischer.
BS: Alright Meredith. Well thank you very much for participating in the Milwaukee
Transgender Oral History Project. Before we get started, what are your preferred gender
pronouns?
ML: “She” or “her.” I mean, that’ll work
BS: And how do you identify?
ML: Well, I identify as a transgender person. I don’t identify as a woman because I’m not.
You know, I’m a hermaphrodite, a psychic hermaphrodite. You know, society doesn’t
look at me as a woman and I’m not gonna pretend to be one in the face of, you know, not
having the right biology. So, you know,